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Post by Sirewolf on Feb 5, 2016 3:04:00 GMT -5
He's had some off-field problems but on all accounts a great team-mate and hard worker. He's strong as a bull and he's gonna show it at the combine. Young guys make bad decisions and some are hard-headed. He's gonna make it because he's got a work ethic, power, speed, and hands.
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 5, 2016 3:32:27 GMT -5
Who? LOL! ANother NC State guy? What a surprise! LOL!
We heard the same about Briskett from you before 2015.
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Post by Kirknc on Feb 5, 2016 3:57:19 GMT -5
He's had some off-field problems but on all accounts a great team-mate and hard worker. He's strong as a bull and he's gonna show it at the combine. Young guys make bad decisions and some are hard-headed. He's gonna make it because he's got a work ethic, power, speed, and hands. Seen him play live and he is no David Johnson but he is an interesting player with upside. He runs too upright but has quick feet and power. He definitely likes to get downhill but the lack of lean negates his power in picking up YAK. He can catch and is a willing blocker. From what I saw he is a football player that does have a passion for the game. His upside to me would be a James Starks type. 6' 218 lbs Decent Speed and hits holes quickly. Is very willing but too upright, above average vision but nothing elite. His off field stuff seems more dumb ass kid than, [email protected][email protected] up head. He would be a quality UFA to bring in and compete. |
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Post by AriGold on Feb 5, 2016 14:03:57 GMT -5
Speaking of James Starks perhaps he's a target for SMAC?...good size, real "effort" guy and don't think he'll break the bank...maybe a cap friendly deal to platoon with Jones?
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Post by Carnack on Feb 5, 2016 14:26:12 GMT -5
You got to give Wolf credit, at least he is consistent.  |
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Post by mugsy27 on Feb 5, 2016 14:29:24 GMT -5
if ever there was someone who needed to be put in the NNT zone, its sirewolf.
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Post by tlusby on Feb 5, 2016 14:32:57 GMT -5
I like Alex Collins with Arkansas.
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Post by skins1970 on Feb 5, 2016 14:49:36 GMT -5
No I'm okay with the RBs we already have.
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Post by Terry on Feb 5, 2016 15:52:59 GMT -5
No I'm okay with the RBs we already have. Really? I'm not sure we have one. Any argument that would be used against Morris also applies to Jones, and I don't know if Thompson is an every down back. Thomas is OK but he's old and not a violent runner. |
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Post by rskin72 on Feb 5, 2016 16:02:48 GMT -5
No I'm okay with the RBs we already have. Really? I'm not sure we have one. Any argument that would be used against Morris also applies to Jones, and I don't know if Thomas is an every down back. Thomas is OK but he's old and not a violent runner. I agree with you Terry. I am not sure that the RB position on our team is solid...just the opposite. Gruden seems to love CT....and he has his moments especially out of the backfield. Jones showed flashes as well, but had some problems with holding onto the ball, injuries, and diminishing returns later in the season. Almo had issues as well finding the elusive hole to run through, and is not really a back who threatens with the catch and run out of the backfield....and he is a FA anyhow and may not be here next season. Thomas is older, and while he can catch a swing pass and make some YAC, not sure he is that power runner. So....while we have possibilities at RB....not sure we have our horse yet. |
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Post by krod on Feb 5, 2016 16:45:03 GMT -5
I think Jones is the real deal, just needs to clean up his technique a bit. And I wouldn't be surprised to see Almo come back. No one wants to pay RB's these days. I could see Jones starting, Almo or Thompson as backup and then some late round draft pick or practice squad guy. Maybe even one we have already gets promoted.
With another year of Oline development, there are going to be some holes to run through this year.
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Post by TennesseeCarl on Feb 5, 2016 17:20:07 GMT -5
Had Jones not started off with a good game, I'm not sure he'd have the fans he has. 3.4 ypc...that's dreadful. We MUST see rapid improvement or move on. We still haven't seen what Silas Redd can do - might be a pleasant surprise there. But I do feel we should burn a draft pick on an RB. If we traded down to the end of round one and Elliot were still there, I'd be very tempted (even though it galls be to spend a 1st on a RB). But there will be some fine ones around Round 4.
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 5, 2016 17:36:44 GMT -5
I think Jones is the real deal, just needs to clean up his technique a bit. Needs to stay healthy before anything else. |
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Post by Carnack on Feb 5, 2016 17:39:19 GMT -5
And if he can't reduce the fumbles this coming year he won't have a job either.
That's still a valid concern now too as we assess our situation at RB. We need to draft a RB this year in the late rounds, imo.
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Post by feeshta on Feb 5, 2016 18:24:59 GMT -5
I agree with other who have said that they are not sure the starter is on the roster. Jones has some talent, but he never really got going in college, so it's hard to expect him to carry the load. I fully expect to see another body added, and probably in the mix for the starting role.
Edit: OF the guys I have seen so far, the one who interests me the most is C.J. Prosise.
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 5, 2016 18:52:06 GMT -5
And if he can't reduce the fumbles this coming year he won't have a job either. That's still a valid concern now too as we assess our situation at RB. We need to draft a RB this year in the late rounds, imo. Well he changed the way he held the ball after week 6 or 7, holding it up by the armpit not down by the hip, and didn't fumble thereafter. Interesting it took that long for a coach to correct that problem. I've said it elsewhere but we should be aggressively looking for a RB that fits the scheme. |
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Post by BuryMeInBurgundyAndGold on Feb 6, 2016 1:04:15 GMT -5
No I'm okay with the RBs we already have. Really? I'm not sure we have one. Any argument that would be used against Morris also applies to Jones, and I don't know if Thompson is an every down back. Thomas is OK but he's old and not a violent runner. agreed, I think our RB position(s) is one of our teams weakest positions right now. definitely a position that needs to be addressed before this upcoming season.. |
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Post by BuryMeInBurgundyAndGold on Feb 6, 2016 1:12:17 GMT -5
And if he can't reduce the fumbles this coming year he won't have a job either. That's still a valid concern now too as we assess our situation at RB. We need to draft a RB this year in the late rounds, imo. absolutely need to address the RB position and if someone for example like Ezekiel Elliott from Ohio state was to be there at #21(he won't be) you take a RB in the first round in my book. I know we need secondary help, defensive line help but if we get lucky with a stud still there at #21and he's a RB you take him. we need RB help in my opinion and I think we are going to see a uptick in importance from this position in the upcoming draft(s) where people go after RB position's more.  |
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Post by BuryMeInBurgundyAndGold on Feb 6, 2016 1:15:25 GMT -5
You got to give Wolf credit, at least he is consistent.  |
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Post by 1afn1 on Feb 6, 2016 9:38:32 GMT -5
And if he can't reduce the fumbles this coming year he won't have a job either. That's still a valid concern now too as we assess our situation at RB. We need to draft a RB this year in the late rounds, imo. absolutely need to address the RB position and if someone for example like Ezekiel Elliott from Ohio state was to be there at #21(he won't be) you take a RB in the first round in my book. I know we need secondary help, defensive line help but if we get lucky with a stud still there at #21and he's a RB you take him. we need RB help in my opinion and I think we are going to see a uptick in importance from this position in the upcoming draft(s) where people go after RB position's more. The shelf life of a RB pretty much jettisons them out of the first round. The uptick is on the offensive line. Teams are forced to try to win in a passing league with mediocre QB play are now looking to build improved lines to give their QBs every chance to get the job done. I'd be surprised if any RB is gone in the first round. |
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Post by BuryMeInBurgundyAndGold on Feb 7, 2016 7:03:11 GMT -5
absolutely need to address the RB position and if someone for example like Ezekiel Elliott from Ohio state was to be there at #21(he won't be) you take a RB in the first round in my book. I know we need secondary help, defensive line help but if we get lucky with a stud still there at #21and he's a RB you take him. we need RB help in my opinion and I think we are going to see a uptick in importance from this position in the upcoming draft(s) where people go after RB position's more. The shelf life of a RB pretty much jettisons them out of the first round. The uptick is on the offensive line. Teams are forced to try to win in a passing league with mediocre QB play are now looking to build improved lines to give their QBs every chance to get the job done. I'd be surprised if any RB is gone in the first round. I get what your saying but I think there will be a "revival" so to speak of the RB Position in this draft and upcoming drafts. everything your saying is true but I think teams are also relearning how important the RB position is.. I think there will be some RB positions taken in this upcoming draft, starting with Ezekiel Elliott coming from Ohio State as he is listed as of know(that could change) as the #1 RB to being selected. |
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Post by Sirewolf on Feb 12, 2016 0:08:59 GMT -5
The shelf life of a RB pretty much jettisons them out of the first round. The uptick is on the offensive line. Teams are forced to try to win in a passing league with mediocre QB play are now looking to build improved lines to give their QBs every chance to get the job done. I'd be surprised if any RB is gone in the first round. I get what your saying but I think there will be a "revival" so to speak of the RB Position in this draft and upcoming drafts. everything your saying is true but I think teams are also relearning how important the RB position is.. I think there will be some RB positions taken in this upcoming draft, starting with Ezekiel Elliott coming from Ohio State as he is listed as of know(that could change) as the #1 RB to being selected. Right on. Let's see what goes down at the combine! |
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Post by Terry on Feb 12, 2016 7:51:18 GMT -5
I think that if Shanahan showed us anything, it's that if you start a young QB just learning his way in the NFL, you'd better have a strong ground game to take the pressure off.
If I'm starting over at QB, I'll be making sure I have the OL and and a good running back first.
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Post by illithid on Feb 12, 2016 9:29:24 GMT -5
And if he can't reduce the fumbles this coming year he won't have a job either. That's still a valid concern now too as we assess our situation at RB. We need to draft a RB this year in the late rounds, imo. Well he changed the way he held the ball after week 6 or 7, holding it up by the armpit not down by the hip, and didn't fumble thereafter. Interesting it took that long for a coach to correct that problem. I've said it elsewhere but we should be aggressively looking for a RB that fits the scheme. I'm sure the coaches have nagged him about the "hip carry" from day 1. Probably just took him a while to get used to the change. Geez, Tiki Barber didn't change his carry style until late in his career, but it made a big difference. He had serious fumblitis until then. |
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Post by Biggest on Feb 12, 2016 11:17:37 GMT -5
Nack - like you, I want the Skins to draft D and D again and D again throughout the upcoming Draft. And Scot probably will. What I don't know is what he thinks of the top tailbacks - like Elliott from the Buckeyes - that will be available. As much as Scot loves Matt Jones, he has to be concerned about the kid being injury prone, his propensity for fumbles (although perhaps that is now corrected, per PC's earlier comments), his failure to grasp the offense in its entirety (Chris Cooley killed Jones regularly in his film study reports after games), etc. - not to mention Matt's low YPC average. But no doubt Matt Jones is, like Thompson, a lethal pass catcher out of the backfield and will continue to get carries / chances to make his mark moving forward. Remember also that Scot indicated that if we had traded with Atlanta, as he tried to do, to move from 5th overall down to 8, he would have selected Todd Gurley. And Gurley's massive ROY performance is no doubt an indication that would have been a helluva pick. But so too is Scherff who we got at 5. My only point in mentioning Gurley and how Scot felt about him is this: if he has a similar feeling for Elliot or another back coming out this year, he may consider using an early (1st or 2nd round) pick to secure the player. God knows we're needing an upgrade for our running game and it's about the running back (RB) position as much as it is the young and still learning / improving OL, IMHO. And if he can't reduce the fumbles this coming year he won't have a job either. That's still a valid concern now too as we assess our situation at RB. We need to draft a RB this year in the late rounds, imo. |
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Post by dolemite on Feb 12, 2016 11:25:35 GMT -5
I hope Elliott is available when we select at 21. He's just the kind of RB talent to entice someone to trade up. Especially with the Texans setting there at 22 ready to grab him if you don't move up  |
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Post by gilesfan on Feb 12, 2016 11:49:05 GMT -5
Not impressed with him when I saw him in person. Combine with his off the field problems and I'd say UDFA at best (for us).
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Post by Monkster on Feb 12, 2016 12:32:26 GMT -5
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Post by SkinsFan67 on Feb 12, 2016 13:30:42 GMT -5
Get the Thorazine dart gun out and just plug me while rampaging if we take a running back in the higher rounds of the draft. / For me to take a RB high in the draft he would have to be a very special player, I haven't looked at Elliott or Hunter to see if either of them fit that bill. But regardless, with the strength of this class being defense and we need defensive help, then I'm not sure I would go RB even if they were "all that and a bag of chips". This draft seems like the perfect confluence of talent and need. |
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Post by Sirewolf on Feb 13, 2016 21:50:22 GMT -5
5 State players were invited to the combine. Shadrach is gonna impress, as will they all. Thuney would be a nice addition for us as he was First-Team All-American and can play any position on the line. I'll be starting a thread about him at some point. It will be interesting to see how Brissett performs at the combine.
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