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Post by PCinOz on Aug 14, 2015 3:41:33 GMT -5
Griffin should have played many more snaps though IMHO.
He needs the reps to try and get some consistency (as his performance showed). Some of his passes were on the money, others were late and ill-directed.
What I like though was he didn't look like "a deer in headlights" when the pass rush pressure got close to him, like he did last year. He hung in and threw or moved slightly and threw.
Promising start.
As I said elsewhere, Cousins though looked far more polished, but was not tested with adversity to see how he would react to that. We need to see that at some point.
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Post by Chrisbob on Aug 14, 2015 4:27:22 GMT -5
Completely agree with that take PC. He did look to be making his decisions quicker but he still took a couple of big shots. He just seems to be that type of player though in that he almost can't avoid the contact.
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Post by dman1200 on Aug 14, 2015 7:33:55 GMT -5
Good god, as usual everyone is going to nitpick RGIII's throws to death. Not surprising. That throw to Garcon for a deep pass was about as good as it gets. That was 100 percent on Garcon which he usually doesn't drop. Yeah he missed on a couple of throws, but I thought he looked calm and poised in the pocket.
Cousins as usual looks like a world beater against guys who won't be in an NFL jersey by end of preseason and once again has the masses fooled.
Overall I thought the offense was ok with a good run game, D looked very flat in the 1st. Special teams coverage was horrific. Sucks that we are already screwed at TE.
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Post by skinsfaninfl on Aug 14, 2015 7:42:44 GMT -5
So I read Preston Smith had 6 tackles and a Sack?
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Post by Monkster on Aug 14, 2015 8:34:52 GMT -5
After watching the replays of those two passes, it looks like Griffin missed Garcon on the first one, but the second one it looks like he threw the ball away because Garcon was pretty well covered. The first pass was no gimme even if the pass was on target, but a better throw Garcon could have made a play on the ball IMO. The 2nd probably would have resulted in an INT and cost us 3 pts. Yep That's nuts. Absolutely a gimme. True, Pierre had to adjust a bit but he had plenty of room and time to do it and it was placed so PG was the only one who could catch it ...it hit his hands in the numbers. And not only a gimme, but a gimme TD. SMH |
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Post by AlexBrovechkin8 on Aug 14, 2015 8:47:05 GMT -5
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Post by Biggest on Aug 14, 2015 9:01:06 GMT -5
Like Forbath, Smith is a 'gamer.' We're gonna love this kid - easily my favorite draft pick from last Spring, although Crowder is gaining ground!! And I'm starting to really like that Matt Jones' pick in the 3rd. Hope Matt can take the pounding (his knee, his head, etc.) because he's a grown arse man that can lower the boom Mike Sellers' style! Lol! So I read Preston Smith had 6 tackles and a Sack? |
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Post by Biggest on Aug 14, 2015 9:02:36 GMT -5
That drop was so egregious, Jan, it made me think of poor 'Jackie Smith - he's got to be the sickest man in America right now!' That's nuts. Absolutely a gimme. True, Pierre had to adjust a bit but he had plenty of room and time to do it and it was placed so PG was the only one who could catch it ...it hit his hands in the numbers. And not only a gimme, but a gimme TD. SMH |
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Post by vaskinsnut on Aug 14, 2015 9:07:15 GMT -5
Griffin should have played many more snaps though IMHO. He needs the reps to try and get some consistency (as his performance showed). Some of his passes were on the money, others were late and ill-directed. What I like though was he didn't look like "a deer in headlights" when the pass rush pressure got close to him, like he did last year. He hung in and threw or moved slightly and threw. Promising start. As I said elsewhere, Cousins though looked far more polished, but was not tested with adversity to see how he would react to that. We need to see that at some point. To be fair to RG3 Lauvao didn't make a very good block on the roll out where he got poped. |
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Post by Rat Boy on Aug 14, 2015 9:11:18 GMT -5
That's nuts. Absolutely a gimme. True, Pierre had to adjust a bit but he had plenty of room and time to do it and it was placed so PG was the only one who could catch it ...it hit his hands in the numbers. And not only a gimme, but a gimme TD. SMH I have to agree with Monkster and some others. That drop was on Garcon. Was the pass picture perfect? Maybe not. But I am pretty sure even the stud QBs in this league get helped out quite a bit on passes many times like that one. Blaiming RGIII is ridiculous. |
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Post by Monkster on Aug 14, 2015 9:21:48 GMT -5
That's nuts. Absolutely a gimme. True, Pierre had to adjust a bit but he had plenty of room and time to do it and it was placed so PG was the only one who could catch it ...it hit his hands in the numbers. And not only a gimme, but a gimme TD. SMH I have to agree with Monkster and some others. That drop was on Garcon. Was the pass picture perfect? Maybe not. But I am pretty sure even the stud QBs in this league get helped out quite a bit on passes many times like that one. Blaiming RGIII is ridiculous. A gimme and a perfectly thrown ball are not necessarily the same thing, and this play is a good illustration of that, and it takes a professional level nit picker to make something out of the difference when discussing this play imo. Pierre sure thought it was a gimme. |
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Post by Biggest on Aug 14, 2015 9:45:06 GMT -5
I'm down on STs, but last night Griff, the OL, the running game, and the pass catchers gave me hope on O. And Cousins, of course.
As for the D, liked the ability to stop the run. Only 11 yards allowed on the ground in the first quarter by our Front.
But that Jonny Football walk in the park to the End Zone?
The 'man' scheme they were in was just stupid - as risky as 'cover O.'
I never, ever want to see Joe Barry have us in a 'man' scheme in the red zone with a mobile QB like Manziel. Just absoflippinlutely brain dead play call by the D.C.
Sigh ...
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Post by Delco on Aug 14, 2015 10:14:27 GMT -5
All i'll say about RG3 is that he did fine. The stat line should have looked much different this game as it should of last season. Now to the franchise and directly at the coach. This garbage of naming a QB the starter before the season is just another reason why I peg Jay as Zorn 2.0. The competition should have been wide open from the get go. I love me some RG3 but I love me some Redskins more and despite his best intentions If Jay had any say he would never have announced RG 3 the absolute starter. With as up and down as our QB position has been he should have never put RG3 on that pedestal. I am so sick of this organization hiring puppet masters and underachievers as coaches while riding themselves of true coaches that it makes me sick. We hired a guy to be HC who was a huge downgrade of Shanny and co while keeping the worst DC possibly ever, (who we replaced with an 0-16 DC. Ffs, we interviewed wade phillips! We hired Callahan and SMAC, but kept Jay Zorn and Hired Jim Barry. When we hired Shanny we let our top 10 D go for Has and switched to a 3-4. What is so hard to understand about 1+1=2? Why do we constantly halfass personnel and coaching decisions? I can gurantee that 90% of this board could see these mistakes prior to them happening, so how do they keep happening? Color me frustrated.
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Post by SkinsFan67 on Aug 14, 2015 10:22:05 GMT -5
That's nuts. Absolutely a gimme. True, Pierre had to adjust a bit but he had plenty of room and time to do it and it was placed so PG was the only one who could catch it ...it hit his hands in the numbers. And not only a gimme, but a gimme TD. SMH I was referring to the back to back incompletions to Garcon in the end zone on the second series, not the pass that Garcon dropped on the first series. The first pass Griffin slightly over threw and Garcon had no play on the ball, but IMO if the ball had been place a little better Garcon could have made a play on it. The following play I think that Griffin intentionally threw it away as the DB had Garcon covered. And I think that was a smart play by Griffin. Throw it away and settle for the FG, otherwise it probably would have been and INT and no points on the board. |
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Post by dman1200 on Aug 14, 2015 10:53:13 GMT -5
That's nuts. Absolutely a gimme. True, Pierre had to adjust a bit but he had plenty of room and time to do it and it was placed so PG was the only one who could catch it ...it hit his hands in the numbers. And not only a gimme, but a gimme TD. SMH I have to agree with Monkster and some others. That drop was on Garcon. Was the pass picture perfect? Maybe not. But I am pretty sure even the stud QBs in this league get helped out quite a bit on passes many times like that one. Blaiming RGIII is ridiculous. Amen, the blaming of RGIII on every play has gotten to beyond cringe worthy levels. I'm starting to think even if RGIII has a pro bowl year this year, some on this board would still not be happy with him and will hate on him regardless. That pass that Garcon dropped, had Cousins thrown that pass, everyone on this board would have talked about how brilliant that throw was and praised him to no end. Brady, Manning's, Rodgers or Bree's makes that throw, nobody would nitpick it. I thought RGIII did just fine with what limited time he had. Sure a couple of throws were off, but no QB is going to be perfect. None of his throws were boneheaded, he looked good in the pocket, kept his composure under pressure and only ran when he had to. I think he showed some progress. That's what we should be looking for. He would have had more snaps had it not been for Roberts fumble on a punt return. People need to get off of this we need him to look like P. Manning, Brady, Rodgers or Brees. We will all be disappointed if that is the expectation. I liked when someone, I think it was Ratboy said that his ceiling is that of prime McNabb. I think that is a good indicator of his potential and if we get that, I would be happy as should everyone else. People want to praise Cousins for looking good against scrubs and journeymen, but had RGIII did the same under the same circumstances he would get no credit. I'm far more concerned about these areas than RGIII: Starting D was flat, couldn't pressure, couldn't tackle, couldn't cover. I hope that is more due to injuries, but if that is any indication of what we can expect, yikes, it will be another long season. The special teams coverage and returns were again atrocious. How do we not get any better at these areas? Year after year, same ole thing. Now that we lost Niles Paul our ST's takes a bigger hit. I don't understand how this area is always a problem, year after year. Do the coaches not practice these areas? I don't get it. Andre Roberts may be playing his way off the team. I wouldn't be surprised if he is cut. Sure he looked better when the 2nd and 3rd string guys came in, but I think he's avg at best. That fumble was inexcusable. Our TE situation is dire. Reed can't be depended on due to health and Paulsen and Paul are done. I don't know what we have in Dixon and others, but I would be TE shopping if I was SMAC. Please say no to Cooley, love him, but he's done. |
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Post by skinsfaninfl on Aug 14, 2015 16:28:05 GMT -5
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Post by PCinOz on Aug 14, 2015 16:51:31 GMT -5
I have to agree with Monkster and some others. That drop was on Garcon. Was the pass picture perfect? Maybe not. But I am pretty sure even the stud QBs in this league get helped out quite a bit on passes many times like that one. Blaiming RGIII is ridiculous. A gimme and a perfectly thrown ball are not necessarily the same thing, and this play is a good illustration of that, and it takes a professional level nit picker to make something out of the difference when discussing this play imo. Pierre sure thought it was a gimme. ...and watch the film, Garcon saw that pass coming qnd where it was going to from just after it left Roberts hand, he was tracking it nearly all the way. The pass may not have been perfect but that is ALL on the receiver. I've been as harsher critic of Griffin as anyone, but some people have just made it one of their lifelong goals to blame RGIII for everything. Its bordering on them needing professional help. |
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Post by Monkster on Aug 14, 2015 20:58:52 GMT -5
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Post by BuryMeInBurgundyAndGold on Aug 14, 2015 23:42:36 GMT -5
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Post by BuryMeInBurgundyAndGold on Aug 14, 2015 23:45:55 GMT -5
was listening to NFLN tonight when the topic of the Skins TE situation came up,sounds like SMAC is going to just bring in some TC fodder to complete TC and then try and pick up a quality(or as good as possable) TE veteran that may be cut from one of the other 31 teams to have on the regular season roster..should be interesting who we might get..
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Post by hogfanatico on Aug 16, 2015 14:41:08 GMT -5
I have to agree with Monkster and some others. That drop was on Garcon. Was the pass picture perfect? Maybe not. But I am pretty sure even the stud QBs in this league get helped out quite a bit on passes many times like that one. Blaiming RGIII is ridiculous. A gimme and a perfectly thrown ball are not necessarily the same thing, and this play is a good illustration of that, and it takes a professional level nit picker to make something out of the difference when discussing this play imo. Pierre sure thought it was a gimme. Professional nitpickers and this board is loaded with first rounders |
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Post by Monkster on Aug 16, 2015 17:05:35 GMT -5
A gimme and a perfectly thrown ball are not necessarily the same thing, and this play is a good illustration of that, and it takes a professional level nit picker to make something out of the difference when discussing this play imo. Pierre sure thought it was a gimme. Professional nitpickers and this board is loaded with first rounders True if the number of teams in the NFL quadrupled.  |
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Post by redskinsfan91 on Aug 16, 2015 19:40:49 GMT -5
A gimme and a perfectly thrown ball are not necessarily the same thing, and this play is a good illustration of that, and it takes a professional level nit picker to make something out of the difference when discussing this play imo. Pierre sure thought it was a gimme. ...and watch the film, Garcon saw that pass coming qnd where it was going to from just after it left Roberts hand, he was tracking it nearly all the way. The pass may not have been perfect but that is ALL on the receiver. I've been as harsher critic of Griffin as anyone, but some people have just made it one of their lifelong goals to blame RGIII for everything. Its bordering on them needing professional help.
That ball was thrown a little late, but even though I'm not a fan of Griffin, that was all on Garcon. You gotta catch that ball. That's what you're paid to do.
Did it look to anyone else like he might have turned his head up field just as the ball got to him? It just seemed to me like Garcon thought it was going to drop in the bucket and he could turn up the field and score and it came up a little bit short and because he had started to turn his head, he couldn't adjust to it? Did anyone else see it that way?
I only saw it the one or two times they showed it, but that's what it looked like to me.
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Post by SkinsFan67 on Aug 17, 2015 21:03:13 GMT -5
...and watch the film, Garcon saw that pass coming qnd where it was going to from just after it left Roberts hand, he was tracking it nearly all the way. The pass may not have been perfect but that is ALL on the receiver. I've been as harsher critic of Griffin as anyone, but some people have just made it one of their lifelong goals to blame RGIII for everything. Its bordering on them needing professional help.
That ball was thrown a little late, but even though I'm not a fan of Griffin, that was all on Garcon. You gotta catch that ball. That's what you're paid to do.
Did it look to anyone else like he might have turned his head up field just as the ball got to him? It just seemed to me like Garcon thought it was going to drop in the bucket and he could turn up the field and score and it came up a little bit short and because he had started to turn his head, he couldn't adjust to it? Did anyone else see it that way?
I only saw it the one or two times they showed it, but that's what it looked like to me.
I saw the same thing. It looked like the classic turning to run with the ball before actually making the catch. It is a good lesson to learn in a meaningless game. Better now than when the games count. |
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Post by Terry on Aug 18, 2015 7:34:47 GMT -5
The most interesting thing on that play is whatever froze the safety as Garcon took off and blew right past the CB. You can see the CB look at the safety as he and Garcon flash by him, with a look of wtf dude?
I don't know what rooted the safety like that (perhaps Griffin's handoff fake), but if it was something we did then I hope we can repeat it.
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Post by redskinsfan91 on Aug 18, 2015 7:41:54 GMT -5
Yep. I was right. As the ball is coming into his hands, Garcon starts to turn his head towards the end zone. So when it's a little shorter then he expects, he can't adjust to where it hits his hands. While the ball was thrown to the outside, instead of the inside, Garcon should still have caught that. Just a lax in concentration as he planned on doing his TD dance before actually catching the ball.
As someone said though, it's better to have this happen in a meaningless preseason game then let in a major game against the Cowboys. |
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Post by PCinOz on Aug 18, 2015 8:09:15 GMT -5
Yep. I was right. As the ball is coming into his hands, Garcon starts to turn his head towards the end zone.
That was obvious he was starting to turn upfield before he secured the ball, that's why the drop occurred. The pass had little to nothing to do with it. |
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