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Post by Terry on Feb 8, 2018 12:42:42 GMT -5
Here's some food for thought from Mark Bullock in the Washington Post today, Bigs. |
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Post by twinskinz on Feb 8, 2018 13:14:25 GMT -5
Ah Bigs,
just when i get to "Acceptance" you pull me back in with the Stuck on Stupid tagline and what a great line it is, so with a cough,hack,spit and bodyshake i would say even in round 2 if there is a nice RB with a quicker burst than perine/kelley the current front office will probably be looking at cornerback to replace fuller/breeland.
BPA be damned, but that is just my uninformed and ill-judged opinion.
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Post by meddle on Feb 8, 2018 14:41:20 GMT -5
I guarantee the FO will try again to skimp at RB. Perine and Kelley are nobodies, backups at best. We need a legit HB to ensure Alex Smith's success, but I am almost certain we won't make any effort to get one.
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 8, 2018 14:58:04 GMT -5
Lewis injury history scares me but he's the right type of back we should be looking for.
Crowell's just a slightly better version of what we've had here but won't play in any passing situations because he's not a good receiver out of the backfield. He also was running behind one of the best run blocking OL's in the game and never got close to 1,000 yards. He isn't dynamic enough for what we need to get a FA contract here IMHO.
I'd rather go the draft route, just pick the right guy this time.
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Post by Biggest on Feb 8, 2018 15:23:23 GMT -5
Thought of you when I read that earlier, Terry. Surprised he didn't mention Hyde. To me, Crowell is a lot like guys we got (Perine and Kelley) - mainly in that he's physical but lacking top end speed and elite pass catching talents / moves. As for Lewis, like PC, I'm worried about his injury history but he's maybe worth taking a shot at (if they don't like / can't get Hyde). I think we need a versatile guy with great home run speed who can play 3 downs. That's not Thompson, nor anyone else we have under contract. Not saying we can't continue to 'get by' with Perine, Kelley, Thompson, Bibbs, and Marshall. But I am saying we'll lack potency in the running game if that's the final 5-man rotation because there simply isn't anyone among them that has the great speed / skill I'm hoping we add (someone like Kamara who can share the load with Perine or Kelley, with Thompson and Bibbs or Marshall providing the change of pace and passing down pass catching threats). Here's some food for thought from Mark Bullock in the Washington Post today, Bigs. |
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Post by Terry on Feb 8, 2018 16:23:53 GMT -5
I think we need a versatile guy with great home run speed who can play 3 downs. So does everybody  |
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 8, 2018 16:45:20 GMT -5
Yet look how many teams got that last year in the draft.....except us...of course.
We were still trying to jam square pegs into round holes.
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Post by Biggest on Feb 8, 2018 16:46:46 GMT -5
True dat - ya think? Lol! Yours truly, Captain Obvious  I think we need a versatile guy with great home run speed who can play 3 downs. So does everybody |
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Post by rskin72 on Feb 11, 2018 8:55:39 GMT -5
I agree about needing a true playmaking RB who is not in the mold of CT. To me, getting a stud RB would be more of a priority than a receiver (WR or TE)....
And I agree with most that neither Kelley nor Perine excite me in that role.
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2018 12:25:40 GMT -5
Remind me of the last Super Bowl champion that's featured this mythical, every-down sensation at running back?
I'm not saying that the Skins don't need to upgrade the position, but investing high draft picks and big contracts at RB hasn't seemed like a recipe for success.
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Post by rskin72 on Feb 11, 2018 12:54:46 GMT -5
Seattle and Lynch....
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2018 13:41:28 GMT -5
1) Yes. Lynch was a star Pro Bowl RB. But he was never this 3-down home run threat everyone is pining for. 2) Seattle did not draft him. They traded a 4th rounder and a conditional pick for him. Hardly the type of resources some are suggesting the Skins invest in the position. 3) The Seahawks DID sign Lynch to a four-year, $31 million contract in 2012. Seattle subsequently went to 2 straight Super Bowls and were one Lynch run away from winning both. Even so, Seattle's contractual investment at the RB position is very much the exception since the days of...Marshall Faulk? |
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 14:21:28 GMT -5
Remind me of the last Super Bowl champion that's featured this mythical, every-down sensation at running back? I'm not saying that the Skins don't need to upgrade the position, but investing high draft picks and big contracts at RB hasn't seemed like a recipe for success. RB's who can run and catch passes on SB winning teams recently - Lynch, CJ Anderson, Rice, of course skewed by New England and their RB by committee winning 2 of them. Anway I think thats a myopic view, guru. You telling me guys like Hunt, Kamara and Cook (before his injury) were'nt making a difference to the offenses of their teams (hardly mythical)? Thats what this is about. Its also about Jay's lack of commitment to the running game, having a guy who can do everything - like the three I mentioned from last years draft - keeps them involved in the game despite Jay's play calling tendencies. |
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Post by bigstink9 on Feb 11, 2018 15:20:10 GMT -5
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Post by rskin72 on Feb 11, 2018 15:40:25 GMT -5
1) Yes. Lynch was a star Pro Bowl RB. But he was never this 3-down home run threat everyone is pining for. 2) Seattle did not draft him. They traded a 4th rounder and a conditional pick for him. Hardly the type of resources some are suggesting the Skins invest in the position. 3) The Seahawks DID sign Lynch to a four-year, $31 million contract in 2012. Seattle subsequently went to 2 straight Super Bowls and were one Lynch run away from winning both. Even so, Seattle's contractual investment at the RB position is very much the exception since the days of...Marshall Faulk? No....but he was a brute and a punishing runner who could gain a yard...who Seattle would have been wise to have fully utilized on that last drive in that SB they lost to the Pats. Just a cursory glance at the rushing numbers for this past season shows that 9 of the top 10 teams in overall yards gained rushing made the playoffs. The top 5 running backs were all on playoff teams. Sure there are many ways to crack a playoff nut. We have a decent offense, and that would only improve with a stud RB. And that doesn't need to be a retread from another team...some high price playmaker. Heck, Minny came up with Cook (unfortunately injured), NO found Kamara...and Fournette is what, in his second season? MY point is a difference making RB doesn't necessarily need to come with a huge salary cap hit. |
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Post by rskin72 on Feb 11, 2018 15:52:37 GMT -5
Remind me of the last Super Bowl champion that's featured this mythical, every-down sensation at running back? I'm not saying that the Skins don't need to upgrade the position, but investing high draft picks and big contracts at RB hasn't seemed like a recipe for success. RB's who can run and catch passes on SB winning teams recently - Lynch, CJ Anderson, Rice, of course skewed by New England and their RB by committee winning 2 of them. Anway I think thats a myopic view, guru. You telling me guys like Hunt, Kamara and Cook (before his injury) were'nt making a difference to the offenses of their teams (hardly mythical)? Thats what this is about. Its also about Jay's lack of commitment to the running game, having a guy who can do everything - like the three I mentioned from last years draft - keeps them involved in the game despite Jay's play calling tendencies. Agree PC. Especially with that last sentence...am just not sold on Gruden's commitment to the ground game from TC on....which is what commentators like Bmitch and others were discussing at the beginning of last season. We were 28th last season...of course that has to be taken with a little grain of salt due to Oline and RB injuries....but still not as if we have been lighting up the running game since '12. We definitely could use our Hunt, Cook, Kamara or Fournette. |
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2018 17:25:11 GMT -5
How many of the RBs mentioned above own Super Bowl rings?
Both Philly and New England are RB-by-comittee. The Pats for every one of their SB appearances.
The formula is pretty clear – QB play and defense.
Now, some teams have gotten hot at the right time, but the key elements are the same.
Even in the SB with the most offensive output in history, the key play was on defense.
I will fully admit that the running game is making a resurgence.
But it's still not a key to a championship.
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Post by bigstink9 on Feb 11, 2018 17:59:04 GMT -5
How many of the RBs mentioned above own Super Bowl rings? Both Philly and New England are RB-by-comittee. The Pats for every one of their SB appearances. The formula is pretty clear – QB play and defense. Now, some teams have gotten hot at the right time, but the key elements are the same. Even in the SB with the most offensive output in history, the key play was on defense. I will fully admit that the running game is making a resurgence. But it's still not a key to a championship. The Pats first 3 SB titles were built on their defense and running game, Specifically, Antowain Smith, Kevin Faulk and Corey Dillon. If you really want to control the pace of a football game and gas an opposing defense, you need to be able to run the football. Premier RBs are coming back into vogue in the NFL because there's a goldmine of college RB talent entering the NFL year after year and coaches are realizing you don't need an elite QB to win it all if you have a stud RB, or a productive overall running game, and a team that can control both lines of scrimmage. |
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 18:54:27 GMT -5
How many of the RBs mentioned above own Super Bowl rings? Both Philly and New England are RB-by-comittee. The Pats for every one of their SB appearances. The formula is pretty clear – QB play and defense. Now, some teams have gotten hot at the right time, but the key elements are the same. Even in the SB with the most offensive output in history, the key play was on defense. I will fully admit that the running game is making a resurgence. But it's still not a key to a championship. Who said it was THE key to a championship. Its key to a good offense. We know its a passing league so why not have a running back that can contribute in both departments? Its just logical. |
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Post by sydneyunilions87 on Feb 11, 2018 18:56:52 GMT -5
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 19:01:16 GMT -5
Mods, we need a LIKE tab/button when we agree with another member's post, instead of having to actually post that we agree. But stink, how will I get to 10,000 posts if that happens. Me no likey.. 😕 I agree!.............damn done it again!!!!!! |
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Post by gilesfan on Feb 11, 2018 19:15:00 GMT -5
Michael is my RB target. I like him more than barkley,quite frankly.
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 19:27:04 GMT -5
There's 3 in that second round/third round area that have the skillset required here. Michel is definitely one of them. Jones and Penny the others. Then there's Wadley and Smith later. |
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Post by guru on Feb 11, 2018 19:35:21 GMT -5
Folks, I'm not arguing that a good running game is irrelevant.
What I'm trying to point out is that high draft choices and big contracts for running backs are not necessary for building a good running game. Super Bowl champs make other areas a higher priority for cap space and high draft choices.
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Post by raypetty on Feb 11, 2018 19:43:56 GMT -5
Michael is my RB target. I like him more than barkley,quite frankly. Hope we get him too. I think he's the most complete after Barkley. |
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Post by bigstink9 on Feb 11, 2018 20:30:24 GMT -5
Don't sleep on SEC offensive player of the year RB Kerryon Johnson. He ticks all the boxes for getting a dual threat athlete in the backfield who can carry the load for 16 games.  |
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 20:40:17 GMT -5
Folks, I'm not arguing that a good running game is irrelevant. What I'm trying to point out is that high draft choices and big contracts for running backs are not necessary for building a good running game. Super Bowl champs make other areas a higher priority for cap space and high draft choices. Third round picks aren't high draft choices. |
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 20:51:28 GMT -5
Don't sleep on SEC offensive player of the year RB Kerryon Johnson. He ticks all the boxes for getting a dual threat athlete in the backfield who can carry the load for 16 games. Interesting...... |
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Post by hawgwash on Feb 11, 2018 21:49:55 GMT -5
Sony Ga Dawg is my favorite but philosophically these days draft a guy like that and get a relatively
cheap option for the first contract and let em go and get another draftee . Young healthy strong and cheap .
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Post by PCinOz on Feb 11, 2018 23:09:59 GMT -5
Sony Ga Dawg is my favorite but philosophically these days draft a guy like that and get a relatively cheap option for the first contract and let em go and get another draftee . Young healthy strong and cheap . Especially when the average playing life of decent RB's is around 5-6 full years. Draft them, use them up, let them go in FA, pocket a comp pick if you're lucky, get the next guy in. |
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