It's official - the KMS SUCKs at finding / fielding / fixing OL personnel and units.
Now, we all admire Coach Callahan's ability to 'coach up' tomato can players no one wanted and were 'on the street' as regular season rosters were finalized going into the '18 opener.
But let's not overdo it, OK?
Because, by comparison, the highest drafted player on the Pats' starting 5 OL was a 3rd rounder. And the total cap hit for the unit, as mentioned in the subject line, is under $20 Million (considerably, in fact, at $17 Million).
And yet, in the postseason, Tom's been 'hit' only once (negating the 'hit' on his shoulder pad that infamously got the KC pass rusher incorrectly penalized).
Apparently, the Pats' OL - as a unit - is 'killing it' in terms of advanced stats. metrics.
So yeah, Belichick and Brady get darned near all of the credit, and I get it.
But whomever is responsible for acquiring and coaching up that New England OL? We could use those dudes - like seriously.
They are certainly one of the teams that do it the right way. I looked at the ages of their starters and backups. One is 30 and one is 29 all the rest whether starter or backup is 25-27. The real key to making this work is simply draft and develop.
We draft expensive round one starters and then fail to draft any depth to back them up or replace them. I would love to see us place a high importance on both the oline and dline every year like they do. Sadly we are in damage control and need at least one starter this year. That means a first day pick.
Imo building this way is the single biggest difference between perennial playoff teams and flash in the pan or never sniff the playoffs teams. If your lines are stout you don’t need superstar receivers cause your qb has an extra second to wait til they get open. Rb’s have just a little more room to run and everything works better.
Lets make good use of some of those comp picks we are starting to get. Oline and dline every year in the draft!
Nothing in football can be assessed in a vacuum, least of all the OL.
Our line at full strength was weak at LG and problematic at RT, but on the whole kept things going. Alex Smith put a lot of pressure on the line as the new guy learning the offense. The crappy set of WRs hurt Smith, which put more pressure on the line.
AP, on the other hand, gave the run blocking a big boost.
Once we lost Scherff, the new anchor of the line, the line was done and so was any chance to salvage it.
By comparison, Brady gives his line a big break. He's throwing to a very reliable set of inside targets and everyone is on the same page. They work fast, so NE's line doesn't have to hold the line as long.
If you give them our skill position players with Smith, you'd see very different results from that group.
Our FO sucks and can't see the domino effect that works in both directions.
Post by dancingbear on Jan 28, 2019 19:23:08 GMT -5
a QB that can diagnose defenses before the snap, running an offense well designed to attack the weakness of said defense, and then gets rid of the ball quickly, greatly enhances the sack & QB hit stats in a favorable manner.
that said, after Brady was getting killed 3yrs ago (the season Denver essentially blanked them in the AFC Champ game) they brought their previous O-line coach out of retirement.
The Pats are a bad object for comparison because the system they run (personnel management, cap management, adaptable playbook schemes) is unique in its success. What are other "successful" teams (e.g. Steelers, Eagles, Chefs, Seattle, Saints) spending on their o-lines?
Post by MorsDraconis on Jan 31, 2019 13:58:20 GMT -5
Well, part of it is, they have young guys still on their first initial draft pick contract.
Shaq Mason is about to go from 3.4m to 7m per year (he just signed an extension sometime during this year).
David Andrews is still on his initial contract and has at least one more year of cheap contract before they have to think about paying him.
Isaiah Wynn is a rookie
Trenton Brown and LaAdrian Waddle are both on stupid cheap contracts that are about to end.
Money isn't the issue though.
The issue is CONSISTENCY. They've had the same scheme for years now (10? 15? now). They know what works within that system and are able to go after the guys that fit it and get them on the cheap/lower in the draft than most do. But, more than anything, it's a winning environment. People want to play for them because they win. And because people want to play for them, they want to do well and give that little extra. Go all out on as many plays as their body can give. It's the difference between a team and just a bunch of guys that are paid to be there. No different than an office job. See it every day.
Well, emperically we need to look at who gets the best bangs for their buck on units. What's the NE defence cap hit vs the offence? What about other winners? Converting rookies to starters and shoring the missing pieces with stud vets would be the sure-fire template to success. The Seahawks in 2012-14 and the Rams / Saints now would be examples.
cooley47: Goff continues to stink. The D has done their job.
Feb 3, 2019 20:44:51 GMT -5
rskin72: The Lambs O just cannot get into sync. Limited rush attack, and Goff is not in any rhythm at all
Feb 3, 2019 20:47:23 GMT -5
rskin72: sooner or later the Lambs D will give...or they will make a big play. Either way the Lambs D right now has to win the game for the team
Feb 3, 2019 20:48:56 GMT -5
cooley47: No guarantee you ever get back to this game. Sorry but Goff can’t get it done. McVay should consider getting a veteran QB in offseason.
Feb 3, 2019 20:49:40 GMT -5
rskin72: Wow....238 vs 80 yards of offense....
Feb 3, 2019 20:52:17 GMT -5
cooley47: And yet only down 3!
Feb 3, 2019 20:53:16 GMT -5
rskin72: Gotta be something different that will break a big play. Maybe special teams...
Feb 3, 2019 20:56:07 GMT -5
rskin72: Going quicker now
Feb 3, 2019 20:58:49 GMT -5
rskin72: maybe getting some confidence
Feb 3, 2019 21:00:51 GMT -5
kaiser: bs holding call...
Feb 3, 2019 21:25:36 GMT -5
cooley47: I thought it was a late hit in Goff
Feb 3, 2019 21:31:22 GMT -5
cooley47: Steratore is a Pats guy so he thinks good call
Feb 3, 2019 21:31:48 GMT -5
cooley47: Horrible throw
Feb 3, 2019 21:41:52 GMT -5
kaiser: well he goffed that up!
Feb 3, 2019 21:45:45 GMT -5
SkinsTim: A first round pick for a guy that was terrible last year and his team is ready to move on from? No chance. They'll be luck to get a 2nd or a 3rd. I'd give up a 2nd for him and call it a day.
Mar 4, 2019 10:39:49 GMT -5
bobred: Here is my inside 'smoke' . Bradbury - Oline, Pratt - LB
Apr 24, 2019 20:08:26 GMT -5
piratedan: assuming we'll be open to share our thoughts during the draft tomorrow?
Apr 24, 2019 23:37:06 GMT -5